tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.comments2023-06-02T03:01:00.966-07:00Ambot.0Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13214855322600246736noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-91255549826556848242012-11-19T09:30:05.639-08:002012-11-19T09:30:05.639-08:00Thanks for your comment, Anonymous. It's been ...Thanks for your comment, Anonymous. It's been a while since my last blog post, but you comment, rife with airy slogans, encourages me to post again. My posts on this blog are heavy with facts and logic. That doesn't stop you from suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about. Your reply includes only 2 "facts" and one of them is incorrect. The rest is Ambot speak. From your view, this counts as convincing data. To critical observers, they appear to be recycled "talking points"Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214855322600246736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-41181164379539564292012-11-19T09:29:37.086-08:002012-11-19T09:29:37.086-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214855322600246736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-51652434925006414462012-11-19T07:48:24.030-08:002012-11-19T07:48:24.030-08:00My direct up line is an emerald and he has been ve...My direct up line is an emerald and he has been very successful in the Amway business, Nothing fake about his lifestyle or his motives. Although I have a considerable Amway business of my own I have never recruited one single IBO. I have the best business model that has ever been created with the strongest compensation plan in the direct selling industry. Amway is a 12 Billion dollar a year business that has been around for 53 years. I share what I have and if someone is interested great I commit to help that person be successful. If they’re not interested I don’t waste my time or theirs. Truthfully Amway is not for everyone in fact most people don’t have what it takes to succeed not just in Amway but in any type of business that takes dedication, commitment, ambition, loyalty, honesty, and integrity. Not everyone can be a star athlete or a brain surgeon and not everyone can be an Amway diamond. But by no means does that diminish the business. Opportunity is what you make of it. Before you criticize the Amway business make sure you know what you’re talking about. Like my dad us to say it’s better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all the doubt. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-28292133019333724882011-11-22T05:24:08.291-08:002011-11-22T05:24:08.291-08:00This is what was described as money circulation sc...This is what was described as money circulation scheme by Indian judiciary. The Amway's business model is illegal and attracted the provisions of the penal provisions of Prize Chits & Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978. Three year rigorous imprisonment for indulging in such activities.corporate frauds watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696785141430785705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-66034578944812296342011-08-21T15:44:52.419-07:002011-08-21T15:44:52.419-07:00The high prices are intentional. The supposed Jay...The high prices are intentional. The supposed Jay Factor pricing effectively makes the products all but impossible to retail. A retail business? Really just a 'closed market swindle.' Ambots are defacto slaves who must pay to be enthusiastic about being conned.quixtarisaculthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07051645876072252255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-32397731205806363582011-06-16T06:44:32.363-07:002011-06-16T06:44:32.363-07:00Thought you might be interested in post I did on h...Thought you might be interested in post I did on how IBO's have done in Tax Court<br /><br />http://riles52.blogspot.com/2011/06/selling-soap-as-hobby-amway-ibos-in-tax.htmlPeter Reillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01473701483727808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-2473034501608250832011-05-27T09:16:11.378-07:002011-05-27T09:16:11.378-07:00O.K., John, I'll bite. Which blog is yours? ...O.K., John, I'll bite. Which blog is yours? This one? If this one is yours, I wish you the best and I'd be happy to contribute.<br /><br />For the record, I love annoying the hell out of whichever ambot it is who hates for anyone to still use the terminology - CASSETTE TAPES!!!<br /><br />What difference does the medium make? It's still the exact same brain-washing amway crap.<br /><br />He/she is majoring in the minors; a no-no in ambot-land.<br /><br />One of the best questions put to ambots is this: If amway products are so fantastic/concentrated/super-de-duper/awesome, then why does almost not one ambot continue to buy them after they quit the cult???????<br /><br />Did their 'wonderfullness' go away? Or do they push/buy them b/c they were counseled/bullied by their upline?<br /><br />These are things I am willing to get to the bottom of:)<br /><br />Ta ta<br /><br />AND A HARDY 'CASSETTE TAPE' toast to all ambots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-60220861486790280862011-04-26T04:41:28.492-07:002011-04-26T04:41:28.492-07:00Exambot;
Precisely!!
I am NOT willing to pay a l...Exambot;<br /><br />Precisely!!<br /><br />I am NOT willing to pay a little more for convenience. No one is, these days. Get a grip, ambots. Look at the world around you. People can't put gas in their cars. Do you think they are going to pay top dollar plus for your already extremely over-priced crap?<br /><br />From stage, the diamonds used to ridicule those who shoped at Costco laughing at how you had to buy a six-pack of Cheerios. Anyone looked at how you have to buy from an amway catalog? That's right! 6-packs. What a surprise.<br /><br />The daimonds' only leverage was shame and ridicule. When they can't compete, they destroy.<br /><br />They've taught their ambots well. When ambots can't substantiate their arguments, they go for the character of the ex-ambots.<br /><br />When 'happy girl' couldn't defend her points from an educated platform, she resorted to deciding we were old frumpy (usually fat) dino rejects. She was fun if for nothing more than the entertainment value.<br /><br />auroraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-8652274635373608072011-04-16T12:20:41.267-07:002011-04-16T12:20:41.267-07:00hell to the NO!hell to the NO!exambotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-89739933416746095622011-04-15T08:22:57.178-07:002011-04-15T08:22:57.178-07:00I don't know of one person who buy steak and p...I don't know of one person who buy steak and pottoes on-line. We all go the grocery store b/c that is still the most convenient way to buy groceries.<br /><br />Trying to say shopping on-line will save you the trip is crap. I still gotta go the store to buy cream for my coffee. Amway doesn't sell instant coffee and that is the ONLY coffee I will drink.<br /><br />Quixtar (amway on line) flopped precisely b/c it was too freaking expensive; and I don't want a case of Cheerios. One box is sufficient, thank you.<br /><br />We had it beaten into our heads constantly on stage that if we were serious, we would buy only from amway catalogs.<br /><br />At the time, I was paying $.99 - 1.25 for a qt. of soy milk. amway's was 3.00 a qt. So not gonna pay that - almost 3 times as much????<br /><br />And, amway kingpins, please don't bother telling me it's b/c it's the business model of the future. This IS the future and you are woefully behind.<br /><br />BTW, anyone priced artisty cosmetics lately? Good gravy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-14961323446954481002011-03-28T15:55:31.502-07:002011-03-28T15:55:31.502-07:00The e-commerce thing is so true. I thought I was b...The e-commerce thing is so true. I thought I was being introduced to a company that had actual products to sell. They will get more credibility if they focus on retailing than just forcing people to recruit people in order to make profit.<br /><br />GuruoolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-89733941135356798972011-03-27T09:01:33.295-07:002011-03-27T09:01:33.295-07:00Thanks anon for that story. Unfortunately it is al...Thanks anon for that story. Unfortunately it is all too typical for recruits to be "tricked" into going to meetings. My would-be sponsor told me it was an "e-commerce" seminar and there would be an "e-commerce guru" speaking. In fact it was just an amway meeting and a local emerald speaking. The deceit starts up front and never stops. I started this blog to expose their half-truths and double-speak.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214855322600246736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-55349660288856017152011-03-27T00:08:25.928-07:002011-03-27T00:08:25.928-07:00Thank you for this blog!
It is a great analysis ...Thank you for this blog!<br /><br /> It is a great analysis about the Amway scheme. My good friend is getting into this nonsense and tricked me into a meeting. First off it came off really cultish almost like a church experience (no offense to churches) but I was hearing AMENs and THATS RIGHTS! The numbers that they spouted off never added up even though they were glossed over and stated like factual typical numbers.<br /><br />Something stunk about it and I just couldn't put my finger on it. I know about Amway because my parents did it and almost lost there house because of it. I found out after the meeting once I talked to my Dad about it. <br /><br />Thank you again because knowing that this scheme is hurting people and almost put me out of a house as a kid (not knowing) gives me a drive to open peoples eyes. It might even save my friend who is already tight on money and building castles in the sky...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-87942935378738883282011-03-19T12:06:17.998-07:002011-03-19T12:06:17.998-07:00http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/forum/viewtopic.php?...http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4952Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-29831427387423438622011-03-18T15:28:38.617-07:002011-03-18T15:28:38.617-07:00O.K, Joe, that's shocking. $12????? I've...O.K, Joe, that's shocking. $12????? I've been buying XX for 15+ years every month for that $80 price tag. Need to throw up now.<br /><br />CASSETTE TPAES will do that to you. I'm so ready to switch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-61648718571743695522011-03-17T17:49:46.519-07:002011-03-17T17:49:46.519-07:00Let's use this example also. Take double x fo...Let's use this example also. Take double x for example. It costs nearly $80 for a 30 day supply as opposed to a fraction of that cost for a similar competitor. IBOs use quality or "phyto nutrients" as their justification for paying that price. Well, here's the big question. Does the addition of phyto nutrients drive that price up? Why are Amway employees allowed to buy that same double x for about $12?Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-27729548696268800072011-03-12T11:00:39.094-08:002011-03-12T11:00:39.094-08:00My lead sentence started with, "If you're...My lead sentence started with, "If you're going to refer to the rules, at least ...."Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-48769195228284023372011-03-12T06:54:03.631-08:002011-03-12T06:54:03.631-08:00The following comment was posted by Tex and inadve...The following comment was posted by Tex and inadvertently rejected: <br /><br />use the current ones, which can be found here: https://www.amway.com/en/ResourceCenterDocuments/Visitor/ops-amw-gde-v-en--BusinessReferenceGuide.pdf<br /><br />4.22. Customer Volume: In order to obtain the right to earn a Performance Bonus on downline volume during a given month, an IBO must (a) make not less than one sale to each of 10 different retail customers; or (b) have at least 50 PV of sales to any number of retail customers.<br />For purposes of obtaining the rights referred to in this Rule, sales must be to retail customers who either: (a) place an order directly with the Company; or (b) place an order with the IBO that the IBO reports to the Company through a system established by the Company for tracking such sales.<br /><br />4.22.2. If such an IBO fails in any month to make said customer sales and/or to produce proof of making such sales, then he or she will be denied his or her Performance Bonus that month on downline volume. It is the obligation of the IBO to ensure compliance by the official deadlines published by the Corporation, in order to qualify for his or her Performance Bonus. This Rule shall apply unless the IBO is currently qualified Platinum or above.<br /><br />4.18. Seventy Percent Rule: An IBO must sell, at a commercially reasonable price, at least 70% of the total amount of products he or she purchased during a given month in order to receive the Performance Bonus or recognition due on all the products purchased; if the IBO fails to sell at least 70%, then such IBO may be paid that<br />percentage of Performance Bonus measured by the<br />amount of products that can be shown to have been actually sold, rather than the amount of products purchased, and recognized accordingly. For purposes of this Rule, products used for personal or family consumption or given out as samples are also considered as part of the sales volume.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214855322600246736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-8402851635249519152011-03-11T06:05:02.953-08:002011-03-11T06:05:02.953-08:00It is no wonder Amway does little to enforce their...It is no wonder Amway does little to enforce their retail sales rules since the main source of their sales is IBOs buying expensive Amway crap to make their PV. <br /><br />4.22. Retail Sales Rule: In order to obtain the right to earn a performance Bonus during a given month, an IBO must: (a) make not less than one sale to each of 10 different retail customers (e.g., Members or Clients); or (b) have at least 50 PV of sales to any number of retail customers; or (c) have $100 at Retail Sales Rule Cost. Retail Sales Rule Cost shall mean the published IBO cost for all items on any orders sold to a Member or Client, or the actual price paid to Partner Stores by Members or Clients. If applicable, Partner Store Retail Sales Rule Cost is applied in the month when the Corporation credits Partner Store volume to an IBO's business.<br /><br />4.22.2. If such IBO fails in any month to make said retail sales and/or to produce such proof of making such sales, then he or she shall be denied his or her Performance Bonus that month and may subsequently lose all registration rights if he or she continues to fail to meet this requirement.<br />This Rule shall apply to an IBO until he or she attains the status of Platinum or above.<br /><br />4.18. Seventy Per Cent Rule: An IBO must sell at least 70% to clients, members and downline of the total amount of products purchased during a given month in order to receive the Performance Bonus or recognition due on all the products purchased. If the IBO fails to sell at least 70%, then such IBO may be paid that percentage of Performance Bonus measured by the amount of products actually sold, rather than the amount of products purchased, and recognized accordingly.<br /><br />***Former WWDB Lemming***Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-58703721742570422862011-03-10T12:57:51.290-08:002011-03-10T12:57:51.290-08:00The internal consumption figure is well over 95%, ...The internal consumption figure is well over 95%, or at least it was during the TEAM dustup. However, I've already noted a 2004 FTC letter on another thread that indicates internal consumption, by itself, is not an indication of an automatic problem. If 100% of sales was internal AND the products were priced competitively (and that's the REAL primary purpose of retail sales), there would be no problem, according to the FTC.<br /><br />However, this ENTIRE discussion is the hang nail, and the Amway Tool Scam is the compound fracture. Always has been, always will be....Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-73352095925507290152011-03-10T11:39:44.007-08:002011-03-10T11:39:44.007-08:00WWDB Lemming,
Robert Fitzpatrick of PSA publishe...WWDB Lemming, <br /><br />Robert Fitzpatrick of PSA published a figure of 82% of Amway's sales coming from personal consumption. When the DTI investigated Amway UK, they found that over 90% came from personal use.<br /><br />I suspect even those paltry retail sales figures (10-20%) are boosted by false claims and pity purchases. <br /><br />Tex, <br />"sponsoring and teaching others how to make sales"<br /><br />replace "make sales" with "buy from themselves and recruit others to do the same", and I'll agree.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214855322600246736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-38141097732026882022011-03-10T11:01:40.688-08:002011-03-10T11:01:40.688-08:00I think it's obvious to most people the bonuse...I think it's obvious to most people the bonuses come from those buying the products. The "work" isn't just the effort of making a sale, but sponsoring and teaching others how to make sales. The pay plan is fair if you consider the whole picture, and not just a portion of it. What you suggest is called socialism, not capitalism.Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-58464163809414008772011-03-10T10:56:25.697-08:002011-03-10T10:56:25.697-08:00I would love to know the actual Amway sales number...I would love to know the actual Amway sales numbers, Personal Use Sales vs Retail Customer Sales. I have no doubt the Personal use number is at the very least 70% of Amway's total sales number. <br />We may never know the real number. <br /><br />***Former WWDB Lemming***Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-77745046310511274002011-03-10T09:38:46.158-08:002011-03-10T09:38:46.158-08:00Most people do not realize it, but what gets gloss...Most people do not realize it, but what gets glossed over is the fact that Amway's bonuses have to come from somewhere. That somewhere is by overcharging the IBOs and then returning disproportinate amounts, depending where you exist on the pyramid. If the saying about doing the work and getting paid were true, then the lower tier IBOs at 100 PV should get the 20% bonus with uplines getting the smaller portions of the bonus.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7830634749368449122.post-5438613157610379402011-03-10T06:41:51.268-08:002011-03-10T06:41:51.268-08:00Anon,
I agree 100%, and that's the crux of th...Anon,<br /><br />I agree 100%, and that's the crux of the Amway Tool Scam, lying by omitting where the vast majority of the uplines' profit comes from.Texhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566368612992506048noreply@blogger.com